Curse

MasterSasori · Mar 19, 2008, 04:13 PM // 16:13

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Originally Posted by Esan

At rank 11, SY! can be kept up all the time without IAS. Hence, IAS is unnecessary. If you continue to misread "unnecessary" as "useless", I shall have to ask you to pick up a nearby dictionary and reacquaint yourself with the basic meaning of words.

God r11 Kurz/Lux will take a century of title grind. Besides IAS is great on a paragon. It should be run just to give paragons insane damage.

Axel Zinfandel · Mar 19, 2008, 05:27 PM // 17:27

3 seconds is enough for me :P I'm aiming to raise my title a few to get 4, but besides that I don't want to grind for months just to raise my PvE skill stats... even if it IS account wide.

Racthoh · Mar 19, 2008, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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The IAS only ups my DPS, which is fine and dandy, but not essential for the main point of the imbagon -- perma SY!.

Imbagons don't spec 13-14 into spear because the focus of their build is to maintain SY. Even if you do drop the IAS what are you possibly going to put in those slots that would be more useful?

Esan · Mar 19, 2008, 11:12 PM // 23:12

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

Even if you do drop the IAS what are you possibly going to put in those slots that would be more useful?

I have never said drop the IAS. I have said IAS is unnecessary to maintain SY!. The latter does not in any way imply the former.

FWIW, my current vanq setup is: SY!, SoF, Chest Thumper, Disrupting Throw or GftE!, AR, TNTF!, FGJ! and FA.
12+2 Leadership, 10+1 command (if bringing GftE!), 8+1 Spear Mastery.
Cracked armor and weakening supplied by an SS necro hero.
OoP, DF and MoF supplied by a blood necro (not a huge fan of your D/N ninja healing orders on heroes)
Third hero is usually a the standard GvG motigon template with Empathic Removal. Sometimes I toss in a signet smiting mesmer for the lulz (usually around undead).
Henchies are usually one healer, a KD if available, a BHA if available, or just the Sandstorm warder and Eve.

Vanqing so far has been a breeze. Joko's was pretty straightforward. Tahnnakai Temple (wihout the Meet the Emperor hack) caused one wipe because I idiotically chose to fight in an intersection of jade patrols, but was otherwise uneventful. Haven't made it to Tyria yet, but I suspect Eastern Frontier and Sacnoth Valley will require further tweaking.

It has been about 1/10th as difficult as when I got leg. vanq on my ranger, though that is also partly because I did that long before EotN.

Savio · Mar 20, 2008, 12:21 AM // 00:21

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Originally Posted by Esan

I have never said drop the IAS. I have said IAS is unnecessary to maintain SY!.

Actually you repeatedly said that IAS is unnecessary without any qualifications. Even specifying that it is not needed for SY, saying it's unnecessary is meaningless; no skill is an absolute must in PvE, and you can jump through all sorts of hoops to maintain SY without an IAS. However, paragon builds with an IAS are better than paragon builds without IAS.

So again, what is SoF doing? You get more than enough adrenaline from spear chucking, and the damage is outclassed by other PvE skills.

Esan · Mar 20, 2008, 12:37 AM // 00:37

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Originally Posted by Savio

Actually you repeatedly said that IAS is unnecessary without any qualifications.

I still don't see the difference you are trying to draw. The point of the imbagon is to maintain SY!. IAS is unnecessary for maintaining SY!. Hence, IAS is unnecessary for the imbagon. I don't see a contradiction.

SoF is an awesome spear attack which one-shots my first SY!. If that is a convoluted hoop to jump through, then this game must be easier than I thought. I wouldn't part with SoF for minor luxuries like IAS! or EBSoH. If push came to shove, I would drop AR and TNTF!, and I usually do if I'm bringing Essence of Celerity, or if I need oddball skills like Anthem of Envy and Fall Back! for their niche uses (e.g., timed and chapter-ending missions).

Savio · Mar 20, 2008, 12:56 AM // 00:56

IAS is unnecessary, but it's the second easiest method of improving SY maintainability after double adrenaline gain. Additionally IAS is always good on a paragon, so stating it's unnecessary means nothing.

SoF charges your first SY in one hit, but otherwise it's just a better-than-average attack skill. For a PvE skill, that's weak. Don't you charge SY in two hits anyway with double adrenaline, DF, and MoF?

Ensign · Mar 20, 2008, 01:48 AM // 01:48

People don't use that for an imbagon because it is leaps and bounds worse than the standard imbagon template.